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What Nations should be involved in Atlantic Cup?
Topic Started: Jan 3 2010, 04:44 PM (563 Views)
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The Atlantic Cup had Jamaica and the United States only in 2009. Should they be looking to expand it and if so who else should join and why?

Do you think the Atlantic Cup is they way forward for these nations?
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I dont think it will be long before South Africa is introduced into the fold. SA is the only other nation up the standard at the moment and the only other country with the remote possibility of raising the funds required to aprticipate. perhaps the two new roosters players poached from SA could be enticed to represent them in the tournament. also jarrod saffy might be lured away from playing for lebanon to play for the country where i think he grew up (if memory serves me)
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Jan 3 2010, 06:36 PM
I dont think it will be long before South Africa is introduced into the fold. SA is the only other nation up the standard at the moment and the only other country with the remote possibility of raising the funds required to aprticipate. perhaps the two new roosters players poached from SA could be enticed to represent them in the tournament. also jarrod saffy might be lured away from playing for lebanon to play for the country where i think he grew up (if memory serves me)
I think you're spot on with South Africa.

It would also be great if the US could assist Canada with starting up Rugby League again and have a few teams play in the AMNRL.

This would help the US play more internationals better preparing them for internationals against stronger nations.
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Get more matches for South Africa ASAP. A young SA Union player got signed by the Sydney Roosters for NYC in 2010 and is already in their top 25, so league ca definitely capitalise on their large Union base there
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Get more matches for South Africa ASAP. A young SA Union player got signed by the Sydney Roosters for NYC in 2010 and is already in their top 25, so league ca definitely capitalise on their large Union base there
I think if the two South African players signed by Aussie clubs become success stories more clubs will be lookin to South Africa for talent. This will be a huge help for South Africa Rugby League who are trying to grow the game over there.
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with the southern kings (or whatever the super 15 club was to be called) missing out in favour of the melbourne rebels this leaves even more south african rugby juniors with no place to go given only 5 teams are available. thats like the NRL having only 5 teams for rugby league juniors in Australia to go to. the difference is du plesis is apparantly up to that standard and springbocks officials were privately seething over his signing with the sydney roosters. smitt, the springbock player warned the NRL off south african juniors prompting a response from the roosters recruiment manager (formerly the melbourne storms recruitment manager) that warned him that the NRL is just going to keep coming and coming.
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with the southern kings (or whatever the super 15 club was to be called) missing out in favour of the melbourne rebels this leaves even more south african rugby juniors with no place to go given only 5 teams are available. thats like the NRL having only 5 teams for rugby league juniors in Australia to go to. the difference is du plesis is apparantly up to that standard and springbocks officials were privately seething over his signing with the sydney roosters. smitt, the springbock player warned the NRL off south african juniors prompting a response from the roosters recruiment manager (formerly the melbourne storms recruitment manager) that warned him that the NRL is just going to keep coming and coming.
The other thing we might see in the next 10 to 15 years is players coming through the ranks with South African heritage. Where I was living Eastern Subs and where I am now North West Sydney their are large numbers of south africans coming out here to live. I think I read someware that the migration of SA people settling in North West Sydney is now over taken the English as the biggest mirgation group.

Chuck in a developing SA competition with a RL acadamy and the NRL poaching players from SA Rugby and all looks pretty good.

The seeds are there for SA to really become competitive over the next 10 to 15 years as long as the get the support they need from the RLIF.
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in 10 to 15 years st ives will be a province of south africa
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So should the United States, Jamaica and South Africa be involved? Or shoud they also look to put out an invitation to Japan and Canada with the hope that it might help build up league in Japan and re-start league in Canada.

I think it's worth a try. If Canadian Rugby players know they can play internations in league they might be temped to try the sport and organise something a bit more permenent.

Anyway....just a thought
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not at the moment. the tournament is only just getting started. if the Atlantic cup can grow to be an exciting annual fixture that puts bums on seats and eventually breaks even then start looking at including other nations. the money just isn't there to develop teams in the region besides SA,USA & Jamaica. get these three nations up to WC level and then go from there
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Jan 24 2010, 10:09 AM
not at the moment. the tournament is only just getting started. if the Atlantic cup can grow to be an exciting annual fixture that puts bums on seats and eventually breaks even then start looking at including other nations. the money just isn't there to develop teams in the region besides SA,USA & Jamaica. get these three nations up to WC level and then go from there
Agree they need to focus on US, Jamaica and SA.

Even if Canada just play the US as a warm up game before the US get stuck into the Atlantic Cup would be a start.

It just a shame that the game has stopped in Canada.
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it is a shame. league needs to pick its battles though
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Actually Canada isn't dead yet.

http://canadarugbyleague.com/

They are sending a Canadian team to compete against the US club sides in a tournament. I'd like to see them get themselves going again.

If things go well the Atlantic Cup can keep expanding.
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Apr 11 2010, 10:18 PM
Actually Canada isn't dead yet.

http://canadarugbyleague.com/

They are sending a Canadian team to compete against the US club sides in a tournament. I'd like to see them get themselves going again.

If things go well the Atlantic Cup can keep expanding.
Yep!

A couple of Canadian Guys on the forum are trying to kick start it again.

They have been doing a great job

Check out the Canda Forum for all the info

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I think in a few years Canada could join the Atlantic Cup
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Just curious though... does anyone else seem a bit confused that Japan is entering the Atlantic Cup?
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Just curious though... does anyone else seem a bit confused that Japan is entering the Atlantic Cup?
No they aren't. The Japanese don't have anything like a strong enough team to compete in the AC any time soon. The plans are for it to involve the USA, Jamaica and SA. I reckon Canada would be a better bet than Japan. This isn't to decry any efforts made in Japan to develop RL there. I just feel the Japanese have been left to their own devices for too long with little in the way of incoming tours there yet they have travelled to plenty of places in the past.
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"does anyone else seem a bit confused that people are suggesting Japan should enter the Atlantic Cup?"

And yea.. there needs to be a few more places out of Asia that play for them to really set up properly.

They're in a real dilemma because any country that is in a financial position to travel there for a tour would heavily outplay them on all angles.
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And yea.. there needs to be a few more places out of Asia that play for them to really set up properly.

They're in a real dilemma because any country that is in a financial position to travel there for a tour would heavily outplay them on all angles.
I think a 2nd or 3rd tier team should tour Japan for 2 or 3 games.

Maybe it could be the NSW or QLD Police or maybe the Army. Solomon Islands are hosting the NSW Police...so maybe something like that.
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ive heard rumours that USA may tour
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They could try to covince the weaker Union nations of Uraguay, Barbados, Bermuda, Paraguay, Venezuala, Chile and Brazil plus there is a lot more countries in the South Central Americas even if they have a joint team.

Plus theres all of the western African Countries, Spain and Portugal.


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East Africa - a combination of Kenya, Tanzania/Tanganyika and Uganda. It has not played for about a decade but the Rugby Football Union of East Africa (RFUEA) still exists and there have been recent talks to resurrect the team.
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The British and Irish Lions are a separate case, being a combination of England, Ireland, Scotland, and Wales.
A similar development has been of a Pacific Islanders XV combining Fiji, Tonga, and Manu Samoa.
The South American Jaguars were a combination team consisting of players from Argentina, Uruguay and Chile who played the Springboks during the early 1980s.
The African Leopards are a development side drawn from across Africa, they have played representational rugby union against South African students.
Arabian Gulf rugby union team combines various teams from the Arabian peninsula, and competes in World Cup qualification.
There is also a West Indies side.
CIS also played during the early 1990s, comprising of the Commonwealth of Independent States.
World XV sides have also been fielded.

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I am not sure if I'm a fan of combining nations.

I say keep them seperate as that creates competition between nations in those regions
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Just curious though... does anyone else seem a bit confused that Japan is entering the Atlantic Cup?

I am not only confused, but I am perplexed, if Japan is about to enter anything it should be the Pacific Cup, Atlantic Cup makes no sense as Japan is nowhere near the Atlantic Ocean.
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Valid point but Japan would get hammered in the Pacific Cup.

I think they are just grouping Japan in with like nations.
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Japan would get hammered regardless of which tournament they played in.
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Japan would get hammered regardless of which tournament they played in.
I think if Japan have a tournament, they should play against Kazakhstan and Kyrgyzstan. Also Indonesia is starting to play Rugby League so maybe a new sort of area could open up for Rugby League. Maybe an Asian Cup with;

Japan
Kazakhstan
Kyrgyzstan
Indonesia

If it is possible that is. Plus all of these nations are sort of on par so maybe the "quality" question who Japan could play against could be answered. Plus they're all in Asia so Japan has someone to play against.
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Yeah, Pacific Cup would be a temporary solution until the rest of Asia starts developing.
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Asian Cup sounds good to me.
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Asian Cup sounds good to me.
Yeah and could end up similar to the Atlantic Cup.

Tokyo, Japan could host the event(being the most stable country and having the only Rugby League in Japan lol) and the format could be something similar to the 2009 Pacific Cup. It could be like this;

Knockout Round

Game 1. Japan v Kazakhstan

Game 2. Indonesia v Kyrgyzstan

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Japan v Kyrgyzstan

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Indonesia v Kazakhstan

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The Asian Cup would be a good base for them to start from. If Japan got serious about RL and we saw more clubs poping up then the Asian Cup would be great. But at this stage there is not much doing and when they do come out to Aus for international 7's or 9's etc they seem to be way out of their depth.
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The Asian Cup would be a good base for them to start from. If Japan got serious about RL and we saw more clubs poping up then the Asian Cup would be great. But at this stage there is not much doing and when they do come out to Aus for international 7's or 9's etc they seem to be way out of their depth.
Well by what i have heard they have 3 teams over there.

Tokyo 13 Warriors, Tokyo Anzacs and i think the Tokyo Bulldogs? (Can't exactly remember).

The Anzacs and Bulldogs (by what i heard) are people from overseas who play against the local Tokyo Warriors.

So rougly that's about 20-25 players from overseas and around 10-13 from Japan itself. So all up that's around 30-40 players.

Plus it isn't about what 'depth' they have. The other asian teams would be in the same boat. The main issue is getting Japan (and other teams) into a competition with a reward for the winner at the end.
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mmm those teams you mentioned which i have also heard about might only be playing tag or touch. So until there is a solid comp then we will just need to wait. ;)
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