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| Topic Started: Nov 20 2011, 02:45 PM (476 Views) | |
| Mortlad | Nov 20 2011, 02:45 PM Post #1 |
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Really disappointed to have not seen all of the Eng v NZ game last weekend because that was terrible this morning from the Lions. How they managed to stay in the game as long they did was amazing. Their ball security was woeful, seemingly every time a ball came out for 2nd phase play or an attempt at spreading it wide it went to ground. Their pass selection was horrible too. While that wasn't a try to Hall I did think Thurston should have at least bin sinbinned, I mean that was an obvious professional foul! Australia tackled well but I really think England were their own worst enemies, and now its almost 40 years since a British (GB or Eng) side has won an international competition involving Australia. |
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| bowen1 | Nov 20 2011, 03:26 PM Post #2 |
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It was a big let down to what seemed like it would really justify the phrase "Big threee" and i'm sure England are scratching their heads wondering where it all went wrong. |
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| dragons4eva | Nov 20 2011, 04:24 PM Post #3 |
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Their only bad game of the tournament was against the Aussies today! Seems as though Elland Road is a bad luck charm for England. |
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| Mortlad | Nov 20 2011, 04:35 PM Post #4 |
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Yeah they were very competitive against Australia in the pool game, took the game to the Kangaroos and were a little unlucky. It was just all Australia this morning. |
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| Middlin | Nov 20 2011, 04:39 PM Post #5 |
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The reasons were obvious. |
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| NRL-TGG | Nov 20 2011, 05:37 PM Post #6 |
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Have to agree with the title. |
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| 5point | Nov 21 2011, 04:15 AM Post #7 |
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Although I agree 100% with this I don't have any real objection to the penalty try being awarded. Likewise, Lawrence's try could have been justified. England were good in patches but mostly were ordinary or error ridden. Australia were good in patches but mostly solid. That was the difference. Peacock summed it up when he said the way ("gutsy") that England played for the first 60 told in the last 20. The game was beyond them from the start unless they were great and Australia were rattled. Having said that, it was a good tournament and I hope that next year we can get at least a 2 game series between England and New Zealand. Australia don't need the practice and I can understand the reasons behind their absence lets the game down. Well done Australia! Let's hope England learn from it. |
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| Rugby League Nut | Nov 21 2011, 10:25 AM Post #8 |
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It was a let down from England. All the signs have been good from them over the last 4 weeks but come the final it's like they choke everytime. They played right into Australia's hands trying to match them fitness wise. They should have been kicking to touch more often to slow the game down and give their forwards a break. It told in the last 20 minutes where the English forwards looked like they had already hit the wall. |
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| bowen1 | Nov 21 2011, 01:01 PM Post #9 |
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True, the played well all tourney except when they needed it most. I have no doubts it's left them with a sense of "we can actually compete with the best of them" for the future. They need to get Widdop involved more, need conversions lifted to a much higher percentage (Which is accentuated by the fact that both JT and Cam Smith are absolute sharp shooters) and work on their scrambling defense. But all their NRL stars will continue to grow. I recently read an article listing about 6 non-NRL English players who could walk on to an NRL team (Sam Tomkins was #1, he showed enormous talent) so that shows that the Super League is growing in to something that can produce stars of the game. It's certainly not a dull future for them. I'm happy for how they played, but geez they shot themselves in the foot in that last game. Any English people on the forum who can tell us what the general feeling is about the team? ALSO. A massive up to the respect the crowd showed Locky and the Aussises after the game was over, they were an absolutely fantastic crowd. |
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| Alex92 | Nov 21 2011, 04:32 PM Post #10 |
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England just ran out of puff. It's a shame, but it happens. |
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| 5point | Nov 21 2011, 07:27 PM Post #11 |
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Disappointing but no real surprise. I can't speak for too many people as I'm nowhere near the heartlands but those of us who watched the game are agreed on three things. #1 England were lucky to be 8-6 at half time. #2 they should have kicked to the corner rather than take the two points. This was the one time when they were really putting Australia under pressure and they should have taken a shot at it. 4 or 6 points would put Australia on the back foot and hopefully tighten a few leg muscles. Kicking for two showed Australia too much respect and gave them the signal to do their usual last 20 minute job. #3 this is a good England team but they lack the composure and experience to play largely error free for 80 minutes and they need to play as a unit more against teams who are a step up from the likes of Wales and France. |
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| bowen1 | Nov 22 2011, 04:02 AM Post #12 |
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I agree mostly with #3. But guys like James Graham, Sam Burgess, Luke Burgess, Gareth Widdop, Jack Reed, Chris Highington, and Gareth Ellis will be further stepping up in the NRL and become much more competitive players. Most, if not all of them, are worthy of an English start. Then you have guys like Sam Tomkins, James Roby, Rangi Chase and Ryan Hall, who will continue to step up. So player talent isn't an issue. They were brilliant especially up the middle of the field. Kicking is a concern, but over all they were a very strong team. Where they really lacked was experience together. I think they need to be taking on teams like New Zealand, Australia, All Stars and Exiles much more often. When they come together as a unit, that talent will work even better. |
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| dragons4eva | Nov 23 2011, 09:57 AM Post #13 |
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Look it was always gonna be hard to beat that Australian team. England was just like NSW. NSW made numerous board and recruitment changes such as putting Ricky Stuart as Full time coach, picking a squad based on form, training camps etc (similar to what McNamarra had done) and still they couldn't defeat a retiring Darren Lockyer led QLD side. They'd improved dramatically then previous years but just couldn't get the job done. Same with England! This year McNamarra did numerous positive things such as Elite training camps, created the England Knights program and had more time to assess individuals of the national team to help create a more professional schedule. And to a large degree it did work and they came runners up in this years Four Nations! I think England should just keep doing on what they're doing. They have the right resources in place and have turned the ship around! Like McNamarra with the limited time he had as a 'Full Time" national coach shows how changes can be made. Just gotta build on that momentum leading into the world cup! Edited by dragons4eva, Nov 23 2011, 09:58 AM.
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| chris sanders | Jan 3 2012, 01:41 PM Post #14 |
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This is what happens when we get Summer Rugby where there are no proper cycle of tours any more! |
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| NRL-TGG | Jan 3 2012, 01:45 PM Post #15 |
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They improve? Well we better keep it then. |
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| chris sanders | Jan 3 2012, 05:51 PM Post #16 |
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Keep what NRL-TGG?You lost me?? |
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| NRL-TGG | Jan 3 2012, 05:56 PM Post #17 |
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Keep it the way it is. |
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| chris sanders | Jan 3 2012, 06:52 PM Post #18 |
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Well! They ain't going to change! |
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| NRL-TGG | Jan 3 2012, 07:11 PM Post #19 |
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They improved this year a lot and troubled Australia at Wembley. They are on the right track imo. |
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| chris sanders | Jan 3 2012, 07:54 PM Post #20 |
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I hope they keep it up! |
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| Middlin | Jan 18 2012, 06:57 PM Post #21 |
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Sounds genuine. |
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| chris sanders | Jan 18 2012, 08:03 PM Post #22 |
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Great!! |
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| dragons4eva | Jan 19 2012, 08:32 AM Post #23 |
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My post before pretty sums up my point of view of England and has not changed one bit! England showed dramatic signs of improvement no matter how you look at them! They have the right infrastructure in place and it has drastically improved the national team. Why change something that doesn't need fixing? |
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| chris sanders | Jan 19 2012, 02:26 PM Post #24 |
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The RFL in England needs fixing because the people there know nothing about the game and it shows!The cancellation of the 2013 GB Lions Tour to Australasia,PNG and the Pacific that was supposed to be scheduled for October/November this year is the proof in the pudding! Until they go back to being a Winter game in the Northern Hemisphere,with the proper cycle of tours thrown in,the International Game will not grow like it should. I have heard this crap before that SL Clubs have doubled their attendances since 1994.The crowds are no where as big as they were in the 40's and 50's and so that's not true!! For instance,the Wigan v St Helens Good Friday game in 1959 drew a League record crowd of 47,747 at Central Park,Wigan.Can SL beat that in the modern era? I wouldn't of thought so and so the game has gone backwards. |
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| International League | Jan 19 2012, 04:35 PM Post #25 |
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I think RL in England has a good administration at the moment. They seem to be building to the future and really trying to improve the national team. I think that they will make the 2013 World Cup Final! |
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| ParraEelsNRL | Jan 19 2012, 04:47 PM Post #26 |
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Ha, back then they didn't care about safety, you could squeeze as many people in as you could fit, these days there are laws to stop this happening. And it wasn't the RFL that stopped the tour, it was the RLPA. As for crowds, even soccer over there can't get near it's old crowds because of the safety issue. The game has moved forward, more people playing the game over there than any other time in history, more Pro clubs, more Semi Pro clubs and expansion has worked even if the teams are not in the ESL itself. |
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| ParraEelsNRL | Jan 19 2012, 04:56 PM Post #27 |
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Well point me in the right direction if you are capable. |
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| chris sanders | Jan 19 2012, 05:47 PM Post #28 |
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I hope you are right and I wished I could share your optimism too Parra but if France can do the unthinkable and win the 2013 RLWC then the game will explode right throughout the heart of Europe! Here's hoping and if France wins the RL World Cup then I die a happy man!! |
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